The protocol

[joey555]

SINCE a global said they would leave in on b/c there was nothing wrong due to disclaimer etc.

but a moderator wants to be...ahh watever here it goes again. for people i don't want to see struggle w/ opiate addiction.

for people struggling w/ opiate abuse and are afraif to seek help because they don't wnat their parents to find out or whatever. i write this beacuse i don't want to see people 1. wind uo od'ing, 2. dieing, 3 going to jail.

DISCLAIMER: the writting ofthis post do not reflect in any way the opinions and/or beliefs of DP, or any of its members....except me. i personally am an advocate of professional help and recommend proper treatment in a facility to stabilize the addict i.e a detox and /or rehab.

the following applies only to opiate addicts.

the typical protocol is:

1.Tigaen for nausea
2. bentyl for stomach cramps
3. seroquel, ambian, lunesta, sinaquan, trazadone....etc for a sleep aid. also benedryl helps too.
4. a benzodiazepines like valuim, klonopin, or ativan (some times a barbituate like phenobarbitol) for anxiety.
5. methadone or buprenorphine for the overall discomfort of opiate withdrawl.

now i'd feel irresponsible by not mentioning that the above mentioned drugs 4 and 5 are titrated ( or tapered down)
for example some detoxes usually start a methadone dose of 30 to 25 mgs. (typically detox is 7 days) so 30-25-20-15-10-5mgs...and the next day one either goes home or some type of after care is given.
buprenorphine varies greatly because its not dose dependent, therefore there is a ceiling effect.
so for example (again example) one would start w/ 32 or 24mgs on day one..day 2 24mgs, day 3 16mgs, day 4 16mgs, day 5 8mgs, day 6 4mgs, and day 7 2mgs.

6. magnesium citrate for constipation
7. an anti-diahrea medication
8. if possible check vitals every so often....ifthats not possible to check ur diastolic or systolic then at least chech your temperature and heart rate....beats per minute (bpm)
9. eat well, take ensure, take vitamins.
10. if by chance your blood pressue is high (normal is 120 over 80) then one could use catapress (clonodine)

i write this because i know from personal experience people who have died because they were afraid or ashamed to go to thier parents and ask for help.

iam not doctor, im a recoverying addict and know the above mentioned from personal experience.
BUT AGAIN I STRESS PROFESSIONAL HELP IN A SAFE SECURE ENVIONMENT WITH DOCTORS AND STAFF WHO CAN MONITOR YOU AND TREAT U ACCORDINGLY.
PEACE.

iam not doctor, im a recoverying addict and know the above mentioned from personal experience.
BUT AGAIN I STRESS PROFESSIONAL HELP IN A SAFE SECURE ENVIONMENT WITH DOCTORS AND STAFF WHO CAN MONITOR YOU AND TREAT U ACCORDINGLY.
PEACE.


this is one example given in wikipedia on opiate dependancy

Treatment approaches include abstinence-based and harm-reduction methodologies. Both include participation in detoxification through the use of methadone or other long-acting opioids. Alternative detox protocols call for total abstention from all opiates, with the use of various benzodiazepines and other medications to reduce the uncomfortable withdrawal symptoms associated with abstinence. In an abstinence-based approach, a gradual taper of the medications follows detox, while in the harm-reduction approach, the patient remains on an ongoing dose of methadone or buprenorphine.Drugs used to partially ameliorate symptoms of opiate withdrawal, namely benzodiazepines, clonidine, and arguably ibogaine, do help to understand how various changes in the brain reward circuitry and sympathethic nervous system regulation all play a part in reversing the physical dependence. Whether or not physical dependence can be completely reversed is an open question.

peace....

[deadhead]

you can't keep hiding it in here

it will be moved and deleted


you know how to make it acceptable, yet you failed to do so.....

[joey555]

you can't keep hiding it in here

it will be moved and deleted


you know how to make it acceptable, yet you failed to do so.....

i told u...shit is automatic. it will go back up. no effort on my part.
i secured permission from a power greater than urself. ya their really is a higher power other than u.

now please lets not get into a pissing contest. act ur fucking age.

u do not like me and will delete my post based on that, and u don't have to like me....thats cool, but the post is harmless....it can have the ability to help people. i know what it was like to feel like i had no where to turn in the most darkest point in my life. i was confused, didn't know what was going on and when i figured it out...i didn't want to go to my parents. all it did was delay the pain, the anguish, and prolong my addiction.
had i known what to do i would have been able to do it in the comfort of my own home and gotten better a whole lot faster.

[Tick]

act ur fucking age.

[4toke2up0]

i secured permission from a power greater than urself. ya their really is a higher power other than u.

now please lets not get into a pissing contest. act ur fucking age.

And you know this how???

Consider yourself pissed upon...well you were probably already soaked in piss from the 12 step meetings, but please man, all you're doing is attracting more piss. You're already soaked in piss, and everyone sees you as a good place to piss on, I mean everyone needs to piss, and you're already covered in piss, so why not ya know?

And I mean...you're pissing in your pants all the damn time, it's really starting to reek around here. Act your age man, DP members should have gotten past the bed-wetting stage by this point.

Just piss in the urinal like normal people, shit man, I don't even care if you set down and piss like a girl, but I'll come up to the urinal next to you and we can have a conversation, rather than you just pissing all over the place, making people too lazy to go to the bathroom...I mean, I wiped shit on the walls a long time ago (you wouldn't know about that) and I think I've cleaned it off, so I'm just saying, clean yourself up, stop pissing everywhere, everyone will stop pissing on you, and we can just chug beers rather than piss everywhere.

that got way too deep

[Dr. Gonzo]

you wish you could be deep like joey, but you didn't namedrop neitszche

[Tick]

i secured permission from a power greater than urself. ya their really is a higher power other than u.

now please lets not get into a pissing contest. act ur fucking age.

And you know this how???

Consider yourself pissed upon...well you were probably already soaked in piss from the 12 step meetings, but please man, all you're doing is attracting more piss. You're already soaked in piss, and everyone sees you as a good place to piss on, I mean everyone needs to piss, and you're already covered in piss, so why not ya know?

And I mean...you're pissing in your pants all the damn time, it's really starting to reek around here. Act your age man, DP members should have gotten past the bed-wetting stage by this point.

Just piss in the urinal like normal people, shit man, I don't even care if you set down and piss like a girl, but I'll come up to the urinal next to you and we can have a conversation, rather than you just pissing all over the place, making people too lazy to go to the bathroom...I mean, I wiped shit on the walls a long time ago (you wouldn't know about that) and I think I've cleaned it off, so I'm just saying, clean yourself up, stop pissing everywhere, everyone will stop pissing on you, and we can just chug beers rather than piss everywhere.

that got way too deep

staying with one metaphor and takin it deep without sounding like a complete idiot is impressive regardless of the forum, good work

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